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Do we think he was working for free? >> the documents you're reading, that mueller's officer put out, can they were trying to leverage their position to value advantage his personal vie fanss that were a complete disaster. as soon as he got to the campaign he owed money to a russian oligarch, and he immediately sends his old aide a note saying pass clips to me on to see if there is a way we can get whole with him. we three is a super pack that he was involved with that went to another company that he owed money to. so he was trying to get a loan

Run he would not accept money from a super pack. is that a move to appeal to bernie sanders or elizabeth warren? they made pledges to keep big money out of their campaigns. >> he cannot do it like he used to, but the question is he will still have to will people send in $10 every month to support joe biden? i'm not sure about that. but a superpact at this point is pretty much what virtually everyone is doing. that's easy. the question is can he raise the money? >> let's check in with chris. >> i don't think raising the money is going to be the issue. it's going to be how does he shape the me...

President and the best one to govern. but anderson, there is a sense talking to voters, i was in iowa this weekend and a lot of people like joe biden, they say look, we like everything he stands for but is it time for a new fresh face? so he would have to contend with those concerns long before the idea of taking on president trump. >> biden also said if he were to run he would not accept money from a super pack. is that a move to appeal to bernie sanders or elizabeth warren? they made pledges to keep big money out of their campaigns. >> i think it's accepting new money in politics. he cannot ...

It's still very clear there are other factors still weighing on his mind. >> yeah, it seems like i mean i guess he's still talking to advisers. did he describe what exactly those factors were that still weren't in place? >> reporter: he did. he talked through some of those issues that he wants to see addressed. we really haven't heard him go into that specific detail just quite yet, but he talked about wanting to make sure of social media engagement, they have a good strategy on that, talked about fund-raising, saying he wouldn't be part of any super pack. and also noted he hasn't had some rep...

More of the pie. and the they enlisted politicians to cut them a fatter slice i'm not taking applications from billionaires who want to run a super pack on my behalf. to protect their economic advantages the rich and powerful have rigged our political systems as well. . >> laura: well, that's a version she shows there to money and politics seems more like a marketing ploy than reality to me. so said another potential 2020 candidate, howard schultz she came to see me a few years ago and asked me for a contribution for her senate race. [ laughter ] >> laura: well that was yesterday. that was...