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As Tinkerly seeks to revolutionise coding for kids, its cofounder sat with us to explain the business and the organisation.

Force. he diddet not only with superior technology but he also did it in way that worked wonders with his troops. he had the highest morale in any unit in the cavalry of that time and it was one of those things that really saw the capability of the american soldier up close and personal that got them to to the kinds of things that they needed to to but to do it so helpfully. >> helpful. good to have you on the show as always. >> you bet, chris. >> alisyn. town hall fury. his raucous scenes becoming a familiar site. we'll take you to one next. (vo) what if this didn't have to happen? i didn't...

In the first place. they're going to sort of lay out the game plan, if you will, that the russians have been using to break into these computer systems. but you wonder if the horse hadn't already run out of the barn door. >> the discover there have been bugs that have the been sitting there. roche has a superior, superior technology when comes to hacking. can be could being mac? there the president hinted there will be actions the watt bent publicissed and the other query do the russians ramp up certain activities again. they already threatened they would do that. this is more than some of the...

He has restrictive vision. so here you have a kid with superior technology up against a lumbering giant who can't see this far in front of his face. that's not underdog versus favorite. that's something very different. and i love the reconfiguration of the advantage, i guess. >> the point you're trying to make is the people who are seemingly underdogs can actually have surprising strength? >> yeah, the categories -- i mean, the large intellectual project of the book is to try to figure out -- we have intuitive categories of what an advantage is and what a disadvantage is. and i want to suggest...

So here you have a kid with superior technology up against a lumbering giant who can't see this far in front of his face. that's not underdog versus favorite. that's something very different. and i love the reconfiguration of the advantage, i guess. >> the point you're trying to make is the people who are seemingly underdogs can actually have surprising strength? >> yeah, the categories -- i mean, the large intellectual project of the book is to try to figure out -- we have intuitive categories of what an advantage is and what a disadvantage is. and i want to suggest those categories are fault...