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They're expired, you know, everybody's going to pay more taxes. i don't -- you know, i did the arithmetic not too long ago and figured out since 1980 i've paid $85 million worth of taxes. so i don't mind paying taxes. >> i bet you, bob, could match you on that. >> more than that, i'm sure. >> but let me ask you this. on the democratic side there is -- on the right there's the pandering to supply side economics in my view. on the left there is this pandering to the idea that of course we have to maintain all the tax cuts for the middle class. the truth of the matter is we couldn't afford -- in ...

Arithmetic not too long ago and figured out since 1980 i've paid $85 million worth of taxes. so i don't mind paying taxes. >> i bet you, bob, could match you on that. >> more than that, i'm sure. >> but let me ask you this. on the democratic side there is -- on the right there's the pandering to supply side economics in my view. on the left there is this pandering to the idea that of course we have to maintain all the tax cuts for the middle class. the truth of the matter is we couldn't afford -- in my view we couldn't afford them in 2001, 2003, we still can't afford them. if you only -- if yo...

Will have-- i mean, yes, there may be a supply side effect, but generally speaking you're for tax cuts because it shrinks government. right? >> anytime you can reduce the inflow of precious resources, that leads to companies being create he had and as mike points out, higher wages. this is simple stuff here, free people prosper. so just make it all about that and stop talking about taxing the reason we work, which is what the border tax is all about, taxing our work and let's end this talk of tariffs, which is a massive tax on our work and productivity. >> rich, i agree that the smaller govern...