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Talk to me, josh, about the larger implications around costs here, and how moderates like joe manchin wrestle with it. >> yeah. i mean, frankly, i don't think these two bills will have a lot of impact on the economic and job situation over the next couple years. i mean, there are large numbers attached to the bills. we're maybe talking 1.5, 1.7, whatever the number is on the build back better plan plus several hundred billion dollars on the infrastructure plan. build back better is over ten years. we're talking about a few hundred billion dollars a year as compared to some of the bills we saw ...

He took kemp as the running mate, bob dole who had been a sort of eisenhower republican, never bought into the supply side stuff. reinvented himself in the middle of the summer and embraced supply-side economics, embraced jack kemp's economic philosophy. he believed he needed to do that to energize the republican base and give himself something "big" to fall on. i saw shades in romney's announcement. have you a same guy, similar guy, not trusted by the republican party base. you need something to define the campaign. what did he do? what did it look like he would do? he would embrace ryanism, ...

By 40 or 50 points. but another thing that is interesting, 1996, bob dole selecting kemp. it was bob dole who had been an eisenhower style republican, a deficit hawk, never bought into the supply side stuff, reinvenlted himself and embraced supply side economics, he embraced jack kemp's economic philosophy because he needed to do that to energize the republican base and give him something, quote, big to run on in the fall. i saw shades of that in romney was announcement because he had a similar guy who is not trusted by the republican party base, needs to energize them, needs something to defi...

>> because he didn't believe a word of the right wings crap. he thought this supply side stuff was a joke. he told endless jokes about it before he got the nomination and then pretend he believed it. nobody believed he believed it. >> that's why -- >> he discredited himself to that point by a great degree. do you think romney is a credible tea party leader? >> i think that's a big challenge for all of them. and he culturally and i think in terms of performance sh it's a real challenge for him. but he was the first out of the gate of the seven people i named as far as i know to endorse o'donnel...