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Himself involved. >> admiral kirby, i'm just wondering, i mean, this is just such -- the video is so striking. it is so rough. >> yes. >> does that indicate kind of the broader cultural reaction to this pardon by the president? or, you know, reasinstatement? >> i think there's tension inside the community right now. many seals don't want to be associated with what gallagher did. these seals is did have the courage to come forward which is not part of their culture to talk about what they saw him do. but there are other seals that support gallagher and are glad by what the president did. this s...

To support gallagher and oppose the system are not going to be swayed by this at all. and those who were in the camp of -- in spencer's camp and against gallagher are not going to change either. what i do worry about, when i saw the videos this morning and read "the new york times" article, what i do worry about is the fact that it's not going to help. admiral green as he tries to get his arms around the s.e.a.l. community and institute better discipline and higher standards of conduct, the gallagher case is the most acute of what we've been seeing recently. but you might remember that the s.e...

Fox news very much had the ear of the president on this. these are facts not in dispute. and the president sided with them over his own military chain of command. this is not what the highest levels, the highest ranking officers wanted to see. >> and as john pointed out before the break, look at where we are now. gallagher still in place, right? and you have the secretary of the navy out. what does that say to navy officers and those who are serving in the navy about morale internally. because it was navy s.e.a.l.s themselves who turned on gallagher. >> i think the s.e.a.l. community is going ...