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There are children in cages at the border. and so you have this huge tension boiling over on capitol hill. which like you said is ju juxtaposed against this 2020 campaign which is playing out on extraordinarily progressive terms so the whole thing just looks very strange to people. >> well, and that, joy, i think is one of the questions here. when you talk about obama '08, i always think back to the decision that he and the campaign made on marriage equality in which the president, who, you know, previously had supported it when he was a state senator in a questionnaire. i think probably perso...

Decision that he and the campaign made on marriage equality in which the president, who, you know, previously had supported it when he was a state senator in a questionnaire. i think probably personally did support it, you know, choose to make the public decision that the better valor was to not in that campaign because he didn't think it would be politically expedient and wanted to get elected. you wonder where are though decisions going to be made as we head towards this election? >> to be honest with you. i don't know, maybe it's being an african-american voter, black voters are very pragma...

Enforced as a civil violation. when i say we should treat it like a civil violation, this is not something radical. that's actually the way we used to treat them even though we had this law in the books. i have called for all the candidates to support my immigration plan which includes repealing it. and last night i pointed out that senator warren, senator booker, and governor inslee on the stage do support it. but the conversation that congressman o'rourke and i had was that he refuses to support it. and if you want to guarantee that another administration in the future does not separate fami...

Bargaining power to get fair terms and conditions. so i think it's appropriate for this situation and especially because it's limited in scope, i do support it. i also wanted to point out that the hearing is not only about this bill. the exemption is very important but we need to have other remedies to break up the stranglehold that the tech platforms have over the ad revenue that's so essential to support journalismism. >> there's a realization in congress and i had a chance to talk to representative collins. the realization is gosh this system isn't working. the american way is the person wh...

Is here illegally and try to buy a gun, the fla should have to tell 2 i.c.e. about this person purchasing a gun and the democrats vote no. they're wrong and it will hurt them in 2020. >> what do you think? how does this cut for democrats who want to run? a number of them that we've heard, senator cory booker and many others who talked about taking serious steps with respect to guns. even this conversation about confiscating guns that are owned by law abiding americans. >> look, i stopped and start with what congressman smallwell said, background checks, 80%, 90% of republicans and democrats, i...