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Simply, how had these people voted in the past, what were their positions coming in and what could the generals actually say to them that would get them to do what we wanted them to do, provide more money and troops, and support mtma better. >> so was it actual kind of techniques that you had learned or was it more benign, was it just, well, you know, getting a sense of okay, who are these visiting dignitaries and let's try to show them -- let's put the best possible face on things. >> first off, we didn't do it. what i mean by that is, we were pressured really from december on to start provid...

Their positions coming in and what could the generals actually say to them that would get them to do what we wanted them to do, provide more money and troops, and support mtma better. >> so was it actual kind of techniques that you had learned or was it more benign, was it just, well, you know, getting a sense of okay, who are these visiting dignitaries and let's try to show them -- let's put the best possible face on things. >> first off, we didn't do it. what i mean by that is, we were pressured really from december on to start providing this kind of information. at first, it was rather beni...

>> i think really more correctly what we would say is influence operations. and what we mean by that is, how would we influence these senators, these visitors or the think tanks that visited us to do things the way we wanted them. and for instance, with senators and the congressman, it was simply, how had these people voted in the past, what were their positions coming in and what could the generals actually say to them that would get them to do what we wanted them to do, provide more money and troops, and support mtma better. >> so was it actual kind of techniques that you had learned or was ...

And the congressman, it was simply, how had these people voted in the past, what were their positions coming in and what could the generals actually say to them that would get them to do what we wanted them to do, provide more money and troops, and support mtma better. >> so was it actual kind of techniques that you had learned or was it more benign, was it just, well, you know, getting a sense of okay, who are these visiting dignitaries and let's try to show them -- let's put the best possible face on things. >> first off, we didn't do it. what i mean by that is, we were pressured really from...