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Term and people who say that will never happen, republicans will always support him are forgetting just how much republican support nixon had into 1973 from voters and from elites. you can find these great quotes from ronald reagan and george h.w. bush who were senior republicans at the time standing by nixon and then it all crumbled. >> let's play out your prescription. you're saying the democrats should immediately launch investigations. they are planning to do that on various committees. you believe that will somehow affect public opinion polling, though it has been pretty sock rolid, i mea...

Impeaching him quickly get us closer to that goal? the answer is no. i think it gets us further from that goal. if house democrats impeached him, republicans would come together. i think they would focus attention on house democrats. democrats should hold hearings and focus on trump's behavior and try to slowly peel away some of trump's republican support. and not think that's impossible. nixon kept republican support for a very long time until he lost it. and i really think it's possible that could happen in this case. >> but to what end? if they do that, then they wait it out until 2020? >> ...

He said trump wants to fire mueller. that was the story from the get go. so, the new detail is that he ordered the code red and mcgahn put the fire extinguisher on it, which is -- that's the interesting detail. >> why is that interesting? what does that tell you about mcgahn? >> well, i don't know what it tells me about mcgahn. it tells me mcgahn had an important survival instinct. i'm not sitting around here, i'm not going to be like, you know, the rabbi who was the last person to support nixon. sorry, you know. don't do this to my career is what mcgahn was saying. >> or my country maybe. >> ...

I mean, that is who they are. but i will say i'm a little surprised at the passion that this has stirred because chris ruddy of newsmax said in, i don't know, late june, early july, just weeks after mueller started -- >> one of the groupies you are. >> i'm a ruddy groupie. he said trump wants to fire mueller. that was the story from the get go. so, the new detail is that he ordered the code red and mcgahn put the fire extinguisher on it, which is -- that's the interesting detail. >> why is that interesting? what does that tell you about mcgahn? >> well, i don't know what it tells me about mcga...