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And far between, very sparse in terms of details, not exactly what we're hearing from the house or the senate about repealing and replacing. what precisely is the timeframe for repealing and replacing? what precisely do you replace it with at this point? to that point, aren't you kind of boxed in by obamacare as professor gruber would say? you've got 20 newly insured people. how do you get rid of that? >> first, first, i think we know the president-elect's instincts, it's for market-based reforms. that's number one. number two, i'm a physician. i've been working for 30 years in a hospital for ...

Architects of obamacare. from baton rouge, louisiana, bill cassidy who serves on the health, education, labor and pensions committee. gentle he gentlemen, thanks for joining us tonight. happy new year to you both. >> good to be here. >> doug. >> professor gruber, let's start with you. i know you do not want to relitigate the past, all the controversies associated with obamacare. you leave the law is working precisely as it was intended to do, correct? >> i believe the law is working well. any law could be working better. i think the fundamental goals of covering the uninsured, covered 20 milli...

Life. >> professor gruber, you often make the point, many on your side of this debate make the point you got these 20 million newly insured. you never delve into the quality of the care they're getting or they might get and "usa today" reported on may 4th of 2015, little over a year ago, i'm quoting here, "three quarters of emergency physicians say they've seen e.r. patient visits surge since obamacare took effect. just the opposite of what many expected would happen. why are people still going to the emergency room when they've got this comprehensive care that you're touting? >> well, first o...

Their sickest payments, whether to scrap all obamacare insurance reforms. >> it's going to be hard to get to the finish line, settle on a single play. they have to decide what kinds of subsidies they want in the individual market for small businesses, decide what do they want for the equivalent of the cadillac tax or not have anything like that at all? what will be the insurance rules, how they handle pre-existing conditions? >> reporter: obamacare covered 20 million people, features popular provisions, allowing young adults to stay on their parents' insurance plans until age 26, prohibits ins...

And they're not going to squander it. and i think it's probably a good idea as a matter of policy. but none the less, it was a kind of vindictiveness on the part of reid and the democrats deserve the blow back. i agree with a.b. i think what the democrats ought to do, you pick one or two nominees. maybe pryce at hhs where you have a fight on obama care, pruitt on epa because then you have a fight on carbon. the democrats will try to turn it into a religious test. believer in global warming? that's not the issue. are you a believer in the constitution where the e.p.a. should administer the law ...