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Medicare, overhaul and how big a problem do you think for the g.o.p. >> it is a problem in explaining it, and -- there are two pieces to this whether you move to a premium support plan, which you might call the voucher plan, but -- and do you that, and the other question is, do you put more of the cost burden on seniors by doing that? and i think michelle bachmann's response was telling when she was willing to back away on the question of, you know, if it will be more of a cost burden on seniors and so i think it will be a problem and the other thing, as lindsey graham points out it will not g...

Medicare overhaul. how big a problem to do you think for the gop? >> i think it is a problem in explaining it. there is two pieces to this. whether you move to a premium support plan which you might shortcut and call a voucher plan. but and you do that but the other question is do you put more of the cost burden on seniors by doing that. and i will michele bachmann's response was telling when she was willing to back away on the question of, you know, if it is going to be more of a cost burden on seniors and so i think it is going be a problem. the other thing that as lindsey graham points out,...

Sacrisanct as far as i'm concerned. >> shannon: congressman, you also happen to be a medical doctor and you have got experience with medicare and medicaid. what could you make of the criticism of the plan which would turn medicare into it a voucher system where seniors eceptionly then would go on the open market with the voucher and try to get insurance for themselves. is it going to work? >> well, shannon, both you and eliot are describeing that incorrectly. it is not a voucher program. it is a defined contribution plan and premium support plan where seniors would have an opportunity and by t...

Entitlements, you're talking about social security. that's still got a surplus for the next several years. but medicare, medicaid, what they call the drivers of the debt, both sides are talking about reform. the problem is, they are so dramatically different in their approaches. the president says he wants to find more efficiencies, find better ways of doing things in medicare. republicans want to institute what they call a premium support plan. others call it a voucher plan. where the government gives individuals money to buy private insurance. that's what the democratic congressman was refer...

Delivered his budget for 2012. and the ensuing ten years that did not have any of the recommendations from his own debt commission, did not address the long-term debt and the way he apparently is going to be doing today. another significant fact is that it does come, as you pointed out, savannah, the day before the house of representatives begins debate on that paul ryan plan. and that's part of the plan here. to draw a distinction with what many people, mostly democrats, are calling a dangerous privatization scheme. paul ryan would, of course, have a premium support plan in medicare where the...