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Effects that you can't even -- you shoot into a crowd of people, things happen. >> our active duty troops aren't going to do that. commanders aren't going to order them to do that. the president, who in my mind is a draft dodger, the president of the united states is a draft dodger, playing with our troops. this idea of sending 15,000 troops to the southern border right now, it's for an election ploy. >> you have no doubt about that? >> no! >> because they're not manning the border wall with guns. they will be in support positions just as national guard troops are in support positions. >> righ...

>> it also, you know, has ripple effects that you can't even -- you shoot into a crowd of people, things happen. >> our active duty troops aren't going to do that. >> right. >> commanders aren't going to order them to do that. the president, who in my mind is a draft dodger, the president of the united states is a draft dodger, playing with our troops. this idea of sending 15,000 troops to the southern border right now, it's an election ploy. >> you have no doubt about that? >> no. >> because they're not manning the border wall with guns. i mean, they will be in support positions, just as nati...

If you take one move, you have to know what the others involved will do in response and be able to evaluate it in that way. that conversation, i hope, is going on in "the situation room" right now. >> final question, totally unrelated matter. the president's decision to order national guard troops to the u.s. border with mexico right now. what's your reaction? >> there's a law where the military cannot serve in civilian law enforcement positions. they can serve in support positions. we've done this before. we did this in 2010. we did this in the bush years and the guard can only serve in suppo...

You could tell looking as the running mate. they have the disgraceful ad that makes up the story about obama's record on welfare and the work requirement. they have another ad waging a war on religion which is trying to appeal to catholics. they're trying to solidify their base. and because if they didn't have that, they would have difficulty doing anything. but ryan's positions are so extreme. i'm glad we're talking about the full range of his positions on women's health, on food for hungry kids, on college affordability. on domestic violence. it just runs the gamut. these are extreme, single...