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Job on this wall, we are going to need not more boots on the ground to enforce it, but less boots on the ground because there will be few people that try and fewer places where they can get in. this makes complete sense to me, tucker. i hope we have a strong national debate over it. >> tucker: i hope so, too. >> face the facts. >> tucker: even within the republican caucus. do you think the speaker of the house is for it? my sense is not because he finds it embarrassing or immoral moral or something. do you think speaker ryan would support a border wall? >> i remember a conversation i had with ...

Monument to the rule of law. and that's the difference between a third world and first world. and i will say that if you look around the world, there have been many walls built throughout history. i asked victor davis hanson one of america's preeminent his tore yarns has there ever been a case other than the berlin wall where the wall was built to keep people in than keep people out. there is a significant moral difference. north and south korea would be the exception. and other than that, all the other walls were built to keep people out. they are moral. they work. history is full of them. >>...

Job on this wall, we are going to need not more boots on the ground to enforce it, but less boots on the ground because there will be few people that try and fewer places where they can get in. this makes complete sense to me, tucker. i hope we have a strong national debate over it. >> tucker: i hope so, too. >> face the facts. >> tucker: even within the republican caucus. do you think the speaker of the house is for it? my sense is not because he finds it embarrassing or immoral moral or something. do you think speaker ryan would support a border wall? >> i remember a conversation i had with ...

Especially because -- in the end, if we do a good job on this wall, we are going to need not to more boots on the ground to enforce it, but less boots on the ground because there will be fewer people that try and fewer places where they can get in. it makes completely complete s, tucker. i hope we have a strong national debate. >> tucker: i hope so, too. even within the republican caucus, do you think the speaker of the house is poured? my sense is he's not. you think speaker ryan would support a border wall? >> i remember a conversation i had with the speaker in the first week or so in januar...

Tried. where it doesn't work we know that. the argument against the wall isn't really an argument. why don't republicans force the left to explain why they are against it. >> you know, i don't know why they are working so hard. i think there are many of them that are just overthinking it. because the opponents have been more vocal. they are buying in to some of those arguments. when you bring up the argue. that it's too expensive. we can't afford to build it, that's not a serious argument. >> tucker: no, it's not. >> there are $60 billion a year in transfer payments that are wired out of u.s. ...