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Co-producer of "the inconvenient truth" behind "waiting for superman." and james merriman. whenever you get charter school stuff, the hardest thing is to look into the faces after those kids like they were at the rally in the ad and be like, sorry, kids, we're giving you the ax. >> look into the face of the kids at ps-30, and ps-149 who have had to share space with eva moskowits' empire. look at the music space that lost its program, the theater program, the physical therapy program that lost its space. >> you're saying there are losers we aren't seeing from the existing set of arrangements. >...

>> sure. >> 160 public schools were closed during bloomberg, some of which over huge, huge community pushback. i did not see the charter movement, did not see the big donors for these places running rallies or ads like that, multimillion dollar ad campaigns. when neighborhood schools got closed against the community wanting them closed, there was no one there to stage rallies except the folks in the neighborhood. you try to close a charter school, there are a lot of people writing big checks. >> there's a simple difference. the charter school is really literally one of the highest performing s...

We're getting into a dangerous territory here. >> okay. here's the thing i want to know. >> sure. >> 160 public schools were closed during bloomberg, some of which over huge, huge community pushback. i did not see the charter movement, did not see the big donors for these places running rallies or ads like that, multimillion dollar ad campaigns. when neighborhood schools got closed against the community wanting them closed, there was no one there to stage rallies except the folks in the neighborhood. you try to close a charter school, there are a lot of people writing big checks. >> there's a ...