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Skimming up what's left as it drifts about in the gulf particularly if more storms come in and mix it up into smaller tar balls that then disperse and the more it disperses the harder it is to find and the harder it is to get resources to clean it up. >> and your work on the exxon valdez revealed that sometimes there is the damage that's obvious that you can see and then the damage that you can't see. explain what you mean. >> well, in the exxon valdez it turned out there was a substantial amount of oil that seeped into beaches and stayed there for quite a long time. in this spill the big wild...

Entitled "sub surface plume defect texted. going it was prepared using bp's data. your own data shows evidence of sub surface plumes. this is your data. are you now once and for all prepared to concede that there are plumes or clouds of oil suspended deep beneath the surface of the ocean? yes or no. >> as i understand it, it indicates there are -- there is oil in very low concentrations, 0.5 parts per million distribute through the column. the detailed analysis noaa conducted in three locations around the spill show that one location 0 .5 parts per million attributed to this spill. >> are ther...

Passed by. now, it isn't just university scientist data. i have up here on the screen as well from epa's website entitled sub surface plume detected. it was prepared using dp's dat pa. there are 17 red dots indicating that your own data shows evidence of sub surface plumes. this is your data, mr. hayward, are you once and now compared to concede that there are plumes suspended deep beneath the surface of the ocean? yes or no? >> as i understand the data, chairman, it indicates that there are -- there is oil in very low concentrations, 0.5 parts per million, contributed through the column. the ...

Website entitled sub surface plume detected. it was prepared using bp's data. there are 17 red dots indicating that your own data shows evidence of sub surface plumes, this is your data, mr. high ward. are you now once and for all prepared to concede that there are plumes or clouds of oil suspending deep below the ocean? >> it indicates that there's oil in very low concentrations, distributed through the column. the detailed analysis that noaa has conducted is 35 parts per million, clearly attributed to this spill. >> are there plumes of oil