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if you look at the campaign ads, look at some of the interviews they were giving, the level of contention that you saw between the two, when they had their one and only opportunity to respond to these attacks directly and head on, neither of them held back. i want you to see a sample example on those interactions. >> the extremist is congresswoman demmings. she supports no restrictions of any kind. >> how gullible do you really think florida voters are? number one, you have been clear that you support no exceptions, even including rape and incest. how long would you watch, people bei...

All of it. >> well, the problem is, a lot of these trump conservatives, they're not conservative. they actually are openly saying that they oppose western liberalism. it's not been that good for the west. really? how do you even start with that proposition? that you want to undermine western democracy. and if you're cpac, you want to praise illliberal leaders that starts with trump and ends with orban and that for kevin mccarthy, he is a member. he wants to be a leading member of the surrender caucus. this is not only a radical vision for americans, mika, it's also a radical vision when you co...

Caucus. he wants americans to just cede ukraine and freedom to vladimir putin, how weak. is he going to put a picture of neville chamberlin up in the speaker's office if he takes the majority? the stakes of this election, kevin mccarthy just made them all the more clear. abortion bans for 10-year-old rape victims and the ceding of central europe to vladimir putin. wow! that's a hell of a vision for america, isn't it? >> you know, joe, as you pointed out, kevin mccarthy is likely to be the next speaker of the house, which puts him in the line of leadership of the united states of america.

They just aren't going to do it. as if, as if -- like, there's a choice here. as if -- i mean, as if we as americans are going to turn russia over -- turn europe over to russia. turn ukraine over to russia. >> and that won't come back to us at some point. >> yeah, exactly. >> idiot. >> kevin mccarthy lining up not with ronald reagan, not with margaret thatcher, lining up with donald trump. a man who wanted to destroy nato. a man who had absolute contempt that followed in ronald reagan's vision of pushing back against russian authoritarianism. it's really, it's not stunning. >> it's despicable....