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And columnist bill mcgurn. mary, more than an hour with putin, what were they trying to work out? >> nothing good comes from over an hour with vlal, paul. syria, iran and turkey, they set up the so-called surrender zones, what happens is the force that is the united states is back in syria to get rid of islamic state, they are going to be wiped out by russian and iranian forces and syrian government forces. paul: the whole idea vendor, to make sure -- surrender that the fights stops. >> the big question -- paul:

And columnist bill mcgurn. mary, more than an hour with putin, what were they trying to work out? >> nothing good comes from over an hour with vlal, paul. syria, iran and turkey, they set up the so-called surrender zones, what happens is the force that is the united states is back in syria to get rid of islamic state, they are going to be wiped out by russian and iranian forces and syrian government forces. paul: the whole idea vendor, to make sure -- surrender that the fights stops. >> the big question -- paul: