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Basically. a lot of young people point to the privacy requirements. they don't like being part of anything that's collecting information. health care, is this going to be one of the detriments of people wanting to sign up? i is # todaa member of the country's major technology executives at the white house may ask him to move aggressively to limit the top secret surveillance programs that rely on their software and platforms. lawrence o'donnell is my colleague here on msnbc and the host of the last word at 10:00 p.m. eastern. what do you think about the generational aspect of this?

In many countries has tipped too far in favor of the state and away from the rights of the individual, rights that are enshrined in our constitution. this undermines the freedoms we all cherish. it's time for a change. these top tech execs were saying these surveillance programs go just too far. they'll be talking about that with with the president. as you mentioned, carol, yes, they'll be talking about the implementation of healthcare.gov, the messy rollout of the website. some other tech firms here will specialize in website development. the president will likely be tapping their minds for s...

Companies was more transparency, more reform. >> okay. so this is what they want. then we talk about this yesterday, this federal court ruling, you know, that this is possibly unconstitutional. snowden wrote that, quote, nsa spy program is collapsing. collapsing. i mean, some people see him as a hero. some see him as a criminal. here he is, perhaps single handedly bringing down the nsa. you agree? >> i wouldn't say he's bringing down the nsa. he certainly is bringing more attention to a bunch of surveillance programs that the public did not know about and therefore in many ways obviously did n...

Over most of the conversation that lasted approaching three hours was the topic of surveillance. the president and his national security team right now are deciding what recommendations to adopt that they're being provided from an outside review panel about the surveillance programs in this country, without compromising national security. we're told from sources inside the meeting that the president was largely in a listening mode, that he wanted to get a better understanding of what those companies' concerns were. and one of the primary concerns, the tech community communicated to the preside...

It all happens in secret, and the court hears the government's point of view, doesn't hear the adversarial point of view, and then rules. and if it rules in favor of the government, there's no one there to appeal. so, it's a very stacked procedure when you're talking about these large programmatic surveillance programs like this call log metadata program we're talking about. >> obviously, this is just a preliminary injunction from a district court judge, the appeals court above him, and then the ruling on the merits, the appeals court above him and, of course, the supreme court. there's lots m...