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Saying, and we don't know if they've determined, if the latest three things got shot, down also belong to china, whether or not they were balloons. two other countries have ballooned surveillance programs. what could these things we are not balloons. do we have balloons her valence programs? and, are the rules for tunisia things down? are we effectively setting the international rules for set shooting these things down by setting and now for object president for shooting them down over or near the united states right now is jim himes who the highest ranking democrat on the house intelligence c...

Clark. good to have you on this morning. first i wonder if i could get your view. nato secretary general stoltenberg said that china and russia have been increasing use of balloons and other intel gathering aircraft in this space here, near space or somewhere between 30,000, 60,000 feet. in your view is that a new and major threat in terms of intelligence gathering? >> well, i think it may fill in some gaps that the chinese and russians don't have covered in their own satellites surveillance programs. insofar as its collecting information it would be used in targeting against us or exploring o...

The chinese surveillance programs in some 40 countries with a lot of these balloons and crafts. let's bring in kimberly strasel and our olivia beavers congressional reporter for "politico," kimberly, your take on this and the president's nonchalantly in that interview saying it is not a big deal. >> you have to wonder what exactly does china have to do before we have a conflict with them. this is a country sending a spy balloon across the country from all indication, that's what we know what happened. what i don't think should be under debate is we should be demanding that china gives us some ...

Coast? do you think that was part of the strategy? >> i do. i do. we can surveil surveillance programs, and we do it. we do it all the time in many, many different ways. yes, i'm absolutely certain we were surveilling it. i'm absolutely certain that we were listening, observing very carefully how the balloon was communicating back to china, and we probably know as much about -- probably more about this than the chinese do. and they're not happy. we have in our hands or will shortly have in our hands whatever information they have. we'll be able to determine how sophisticated it is or not. it i...

Keep operating here in the u.s. gillian turner has more on that in d.c. what's the latest? >> good morning. what house republicans are accusing tiktok lying about is the surveillance of american. it's a hefty charge. could eventually carry legal consequences. new letters sent by two congressional committees tiktok told the panel the following. tiktok does not track user's internet data while not using the app and two, china-based employees do not have access to u.s. users' locations data. both claims are misleading at best and at worst false. senate republicans agree. >> tiktok is one of the m...