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Washington seasoned skepticism is apt, which is to say this hearing could be a joke and farce based on the trickery. it could also be the thing, potentially, that changes everything if some of these swing senators on the republican side see and their constituents see enough evidence -- this is not the criminal standards, we emphasize, nobody is up for going to jail here. just enough evidence to say, this promotion should be in doubt. to that effort, i want to show susan collins, i want to be clear as we try to be precise, this is susan collins before the second accuser came forward. they are v...

I think expediting this process would be in the best interest of all involved. >> can you, john avlon, i want your take, and i also want you to weigh in on how thursday moves forward if it proceeds as it is planned for now. if thursday is simply, not simply, if thursday is only ford and kavanaugh telling their stories, we'll see if republicans bring in outside counsel to question both of them or not. how does that look if senators then vote on that without hearing from ramirez, without hearing from any other witnesses? can they? >> i don't think it's tenable politically given the accusations f...

Going to even listen to this person and that she should not be heard, and if she is, we should still confirm him no matter what she says that raises a lot of questions among people who want the supreme court not to be just a partisan institution, but to have independent voices. >> obviously there's been some criticism among some that this is just purely for theatrics, that republicans and congress are hearing these testimonies purely for the sake of saying, look, we did our job, but in reality they're still going to confirm kavanaugh. when you look at some of the swing senators, could they pos...

Harder and more so on these few swing senators, particularly on the republican side to decide who do i believe? >> to the point of an investigation first before testimony, there are other people who have been identified as having knowledge about the facts here. they are not even scheduled for testimony, no less investigation steps. to set it up as a he said she said is unfair as legal process when other witnesses can be called. >> i will leave it with the thought that if she testifies one thing in open session and this is sworn testimony. if she lies, that's perjury. if he said something diffe...

Democratic women in the 1992 elections the following year. it was a real consciousness raising that took place. it was still basically a he said, she said swigs. this is as well. at that time most people believe charns thomas including and this is very important, african-american democrats. brett kavanaugh's base is basically the trump base. the question is, does that include the trump women? all of these senators who are will be sitting in judgment of this, they have to be wondering how are women in my state going to be reacting to this and most women are taking a wait and see attitude. let's...