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You have to love politics. this back and for the is delightful. it's so petty. if you have a man running for president of the united states who is putting his money in offshore and swiss acts and taking advantage of loopholes, a lot of americans -- i know i pay more than 13%, they are going to say, that man is super rich and he's only paying 13%? that is political dynamite. martha: why not just come out and say, why doesn't he come out and say, look, my wife and i have paid millions and millions of dollars over our lifetime in taxes, and to charities, millions and millions of dollars. so if th...

Of income taxes. what else? how does that fit in with the bigger tax plan? he needs to start flushing some of that out and do it now. we see the downside this past week where there was nothing he could turn to. there was no counter theme in the campaign he could turn to. >> i like bill's suggestion very much, but bill if he puts out the tax returns i think he has smart people working for him who have made a calculation. there are something in those tax returns who will set a fire. they would rather not reveal -- >> we probably don't think he is a tax cheat. we probably don't think -- we don't ...

Illegal? he is running for president of the united states. the american people don't want somebody who is putting money in swiss acts, bermuda accounts. >> why not? >> what is obama's message? bet on america. >> mitt romney was having his swiss bank accounts and obama was worshiping at jeremiah wright's church. he distanced himself and then gave a big speech about race relations and was well received. people felt coming back to the right issues was petty. obama addressed it as much as he could. i think it is true in this case. no one thinks mitt romney is fundamentally is a crook or anything l...

He didn't do anything illegal? he is running for president of the united states. the american people don't want somebody who is putting money in swiss acts, bermuda accounts. >> why not? >> what is obama's message? bet on america. >> mitt romney was having his swiss bank accounts and obama was worshiping at jeremiah wright's church. he distanced himself and then gave a big speech about race relations and was well received. people felt coming back to the right issues was petty. obama addressed it as much as he could. i think it is true in this case. no one thinks mitt romney is fundamentally is...