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Down the government was a political threat. it made them look reckless and incompetent and won't do that anymore. i think on immigration, they understand any path they take is politically fraught, but i don't think the lesson they learned is they aught to pass it. >> i think that's exactly right. basically what has happened, rather than the tea party now driving the agenda, the nugent caucus driving the agenda, they're reduced to a veto but they're still a veto. mike, you worked in a republican congressional office. you know how that switchboard lights up when immigration reform is floated. >>...

>> i think that's exactly right. basically what has happened, rather than the tea party now driving the agenda, the nugent caucus driving the agenda, they're reduced to a veto but they're still a veto. mike, you worked in a republican congressional office. you know how that switchboard lights up when immigration reform is floated. >> absolutely. that is the case, and i would say it's now a kind of shock theater what we've seen, and it was probably the beginning of it in the 2008 presidential campaign with sir arah palin. it's shock theater all the time. trying to outrage the base and motivate ...