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Number of instances where he, zimmerman, tells the officers that there are black teenagers involved. i believe a couple of weeks ago before this incident happened there were two young black teens arrested and charged with burglarizing that community, so that the whole issue of young kids doing wrong in that community, young black kids was apparently on his mind, and the neighbor's minds at the whole time this thing was going down. so, yes. but a lot of people, you know, are saying that is basically an issue, but the main issue is that there was a 17-year-old boy who is dead, whether he was bla...

Neighborhood, zimmerman might have called the cops on him, and it is an acknowledgment that despite the fact that the president is black, these issues and these factors still impact people's lives in drastic ways. >> jonathan, your research in part talks about the assumption of criminality around black men and black men's bodies and tell me how that may have influenced what happened in sanford, flori florida, that night? >> well, two points about that. of course, this as i said before is an individual tragedy, but there are whole structures around that sort of cultural mistrust of african-amer...

Discretionary choice of whether or not zimmerman is to be believed, but most critically zimmerman making a discretionary choice of whether this unarmed 17-year-old kid poses a danger to him. what do you know? what do you suspect you know from your own work about what was going on with zimmerman at this moment? >> well, i would say a couple of things. one is that part of what we are seeing is a very tragic large telling of what happens in snap moment moments of snap judgments when there are so many guns around. so in a way, you have two seconds to make a particular kind of decision, and it is n...

Stakes are so high and so fatal in this instance. >> i want to come back to you on this question, ron, because for obviously so many of us who are observers of this, it feels like what happened here is that zimmerman racially profiling trayvon martin, but we are hearing pushback, oh, that can't be possibleb because in fact, sym zimmerman himself has latino or background of heritage, and what is happening there? are people understanding this as influence or inflections of race? >> yes. in a word, certainly. beyond this question of the racial epiteth, there are things that zimmerman said in the ...

About them making some kind of bad choice? >> well, exactly. there was a study just released as relates to suspensions, and unfortunately a 3 to 1 ratio of black males to white males suspended, and they both committed the same infraction, and they both had a cell phone. the white male a warning and the black male 3 to 5 days, and they both had an infraction of the school attire, and the white male a warning and the black male three to four days suspended. for the white male to be suspended one of three things has to happen, a knife, gun or bloodshed. for the black male, the teacher said, i did...