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Attacki attackingintsitutio attackingin attacking the institutions of the american government. >> why would the president's son say something like that? >> i don't know if down junior's been marked by cool, calm judgment in his utrnss in the past. but what it suggests to me is that in their heart of hearts they don't think this investigation is going to a happy place, at least not a happy place from their point of view. don, i'm not predicting criminal intiem indictments about collusion or anything like that. but i do think as the investigation goes on we learn more and more about the synchron...

Do you agree? >> no. i'm not a lawyer. put collusion over here. i know what synchronization is. it is clear based on these e-mails that the campaign synchronized its actions and statements with what they were learning from wikileaks in a dialogue between the two sides. more importantly, chris, the two most important acts go to this website and the candidate saying certain things took place after they went out in early october and said this is the work of the russian government. yet despite that, the campaign went ahead and did these things. when i read the article, it took my breath away. >> o...

Did tell his father 15 minutes after wikileaks texted him. >> added evidence to that, the current president, the candidate at that time made a reference during that time period about making the speech within a week that would reveal an awful lot of dirt on hillary clinton, so there's more truly circumstantial evidence that there was synchronization between the campaign and wikileaks. remember, this was a group wikileaks whose leader was likely already under indictment in the united states of america for what he had done previously with american secrets. >> i have to ask you about the president...

Believe if one believes that he did tell his father 15 minutes after wikileaks texted him. >> added evidence to that, the current president, the candidate at that time made a reference during that time period about making the speech within a week that would reveal an awful lot of dirt on hillary clinton, so there's more truly circumstantial evidence that there was synchronization between the campaign and wikileaks. remember, this was a group wikileaks whose leader was likely already under indictment in the united states of america for what he had done previously with american secrets. >> i hav...

Create circumstances where you have a higher probability that you blunder into a conflict. >> general, can i ask you about russian subversion, what they've been doing here and online. did they immediate help to do the kinds of propaganda placement that they did during the election and that we understand they're doing right now to try to foment tension inside the united states? >> that's a great question. you're working backward now. i am, at least, in my thinking. microtargeting, synchronization of the russian effort. the question becomes, did they know, do they know american society well enou...