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>> obviously, maintaining the nuclear power. talking about russia nationalism and also being a player on the world stage. so the influence that they have right now, as we were talking about the hand they show up for at the meeting with president obama, on american soil, but they have the stronger outlook for the conversation we had about siyria and crimea. >> the russians were with the united states during the iran deal. you know, in russia's point of view, which is a two-way street. you needed us to back you in what you wanted to do with iran. we did. we weren't a disruptive force. we sort of...

>> forget my parallel. where does the loyalty of the people lie at some point? we found iraq come apart because the sunnis didn't want to fight isis when they came in because they preferred the ice/shariah crowd to what they were getting from the government of the shia. where do the people of the islamic state want to be? do they want to be under islamic state? >> sunnis in syria don't necessarily want to be ruled by isis, but they don't want to be ruled by a shia militia. >> who do they want to be ruled by? >> and that goes to the point of what do you do about isis once you push it out of ira...

Now the black hole that was syria is now spreading over into iraq and going to destabilize iraq -- >> what i can report to you from the humanitarian front, it's getting worse. the people have been knocked out of their homes twice, three, four, five times. >> david, we've got to get news really quickly and get dan senor as well. if the united states continues to do nothing, continues to take inaction as we did in syria. if we have that same approach to iraq as many are suggesting on capitol hill, how bad will the situation become this. >> the options get worse, not better. that's the thing. it'...

United states play to deal with the situation in iraq, what are the elements you would recommend to them? >> first of all, if the president agrees that we have a strategic interest in heading off what is not just an iraqi problem, it's an iraq and syria problem. the critical mistakes in 2011 were not just not doing anything about syria, but also withdrawing fully from iraq. we now have this big ungovernable space that will have all the attributes of afghanistan pre 9/11 but on much more valuable real estate, much more strategically important part of the world. even if you don't believe the hum...

Definable in the cold war. you were with either the ruskies or you were with us. now, they have brought out thousands of years of animosity, you can't blame obama for not having the kind of very clearly defined lines that the cold war gave us. >> oh, no, no, you can. i actually think you can. there was a very clear line after 9/11 and it was one that the media made fun of, it was president bush's you are either with us or you are against us. i think it goes back to the red line syria problem that the president created for himself. >> back to 9/11, we had common ground with russia. they aren't ...