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Leonnig, from your reporting and really taking our knowledge as a viewing public to the next level and understanding that the president is not merely a witness in the russia investigation, or the obstruction of justice probe, he is a subject, which is not as bad as being a target, but he is a subject. do you have any sense of the president's state of mind or the people closest to him when it comes to bob mueller's status? we heard joe digenova say basically they're stuck with rosenstein, they can't fire him, but they do call him a disgrace, and the president himself has attacked bob mueller on...

And who was involved in that, if anyone, in the trump campaign or the president himself. you know, those are issues we need to get to the bottom of. >> do you have any sense, carol leonnig, from your reporting and really taking our knowledge as a viewing public to the next level and understanding that the president is not merely a witness in the russia investigation, or the obstruction of justice probe, he is a subject, which is not as bad as being a target, but he is a subject. do you have any sense of the president's state of mind or the people closest to him when it comes to bob mueller's s...

Right? every couple days, if not every couple weeks, the president about to make another run at the attorney general. the attorney general's statement yesterday, the strongest he's ever issued, is almost a dare to the president. go for it. go for it. that would provoke a crisis. >> but this president, the way he talks about jeff sessions is like he can't fire him. he puts these missives out on twitter saying, ag sessions should do x, y and z. get rid of him if he isn't. well, he can't. >> he's saying follow up the facts. >> right. >> i think it kind of underscores the sessions statement beyond...

Disgraceful. >> we saw him do the same thing with mccabe, sort of creating hostile work environment so that mccabe retires early. maybe that's what he's hoping for. >> former fbi director. deputy fbi director. >> yes, exactly. and maybe this is what he's trying to do. if he can't fire him, maybe he can humiliate him out of his job. jeff sessions has cesaid today, work for the department of justice, i have to protect the integrity of the department of justice. there are clear rules about communications between the white house and the justice department. you've overstepped that boundary again. >...

For example china. you think those attempts to seek leverage over him, these reported attempts, played a role in the decision not to grant him top-secret security clearances? >> it sure would seem so because one of the issues in issuing a top-secret clearance is are you vulnerable, can you be leveraged, can you be blackmailed, can you be financially compromised. all of the reporting that gloria has been doing on the chinese insurance company and veb bank, the russian bank, all of these meetings occurring while we know, at least it's been reported, that one of his, kushner's, marquee properties...