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But is it proof of any real daylight between this president and his party? great debate to be had. two former republican congress men, charlie dent and sean duffey. first, merry christmas to you and your families, thank you for being on the show. i appreciate it. >> merry christmas. >> charlie, push back on the idea that it means nothing, of course he made a mistake to say he wasn't impartial. it's easy to say this process should be fair, but your party is locked in. where is there any proof that that's false? >> i think we should take lisa murkowski at her word. i think she's sending a signal...

Totally reliable as she oversaw the clinton investigation. she thought maybe he wasn't impartial. he thought she should have recused yourself, which is kind of interesting, right? because she didn't. i think there's been a lot of questions about that. the tarmac meeting, she has been interviewed about several times. she basically says kind of interesting data points, like they never sat down. that she and her husband -- >> harris: why do we care? >> it suggests it was a very short meeting. on the other hand, it took longer than she had sort of explained it. and she says all they did was talk a...

Threatening the system of the t impartial justice. in the system the individuals do not get to dictate terms of the investigations. you can't just say you don't feel like participating. why don't you try that? try the next time you get summoned for jury duty or are supposed to appear in small claims court or blow up a speeding ticket and see what happens. you can't do that because the justice department is not just about you. it's about all of us. in this case, brett kavanaugh could sit on the court that shapes the lives of 330 million other people. so the rest of us have a right to know what ...