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To turn them off. i think that today was a revealing moment for him as a president. it revealed kind of his values and who he fights for. those folks who were in charlottesville, many of them white, many of them black, who stood on the other side of the nazis and the kkk, i salute them. i salute them for standing up to them. >> my question is why doesn't he? >> those folks are not the same thing. what we saw down there was hate on one side, and then we saw people who were standing up to hate on the other side. >> but i guess my point is, it's not normal for a president -- dayes not even normal...