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Gentlemen having you in the studio is a big benefit to us. let's talk and what happened. what was used? what do we know about what happened? >> the two destroyers, these were destroyers were just off the coast, they launched 59 cruise missiles, t-lams, tomahawks and land at the airfield. that's where the chemical attack arg originated from. there were rotary aircraft routinely stationed there. this was kind of in the middle of nowhere so we didn't have the collateral damage concerns as a result of this strike. so there's benefit in terms of proportionality and we can talk about that and whethe...

Action now, the previous state of play is putin is doing everything and -- is on his heels. that's changed. >> for five minutes of t-lams. >> for this process, a huge russian red line, it's not about did we strike one thing or ten things, it's about what they're view of international law in the sovereignty of states and this is extential for putin, they felt burned for libya, now we're attacking syria. they see that as a challenge to international relations that you can't attack unless you have some sort of -- >> unless you're russia and can waltz right into the ukraine -- >> but they have can...

We haven't struck the chemical weapons themselves, for example. the t-lams that hit the airfield, by tomorrow morning they'll have filled up the holes with gravel. i don't really understand exactly how we've impeded assad here, and i don't know other than making a big statement, you know, we talked about north korea. this is not a real impact to assad. i think it is messaging, sure. it is messaging that we can do something, but i don't know that that something has achieved the goal that the president stated at the outset. it's politically safe. 's an easy decision in tt no american lives are p...

T-lams. if you take out runways they can be repaired in a couple of days. this bomb was symbolic. it was not a powerful military blow. it was a sign that the united states is engaged, that we object to the use of chemical weapons and that we could do nor and of course we could do more. here's the other thing. apparently we talked to the russians and the russians didn't use their modern air defense systems. they've got systems that might be able to interfere with our t-lams. we've never seen the air defense systems used against us. weapon don't know what the results would be. if we thought they...