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Of self-defense, and as you said, the ocular proof that it was not. here it is. >> and i wanted to make sure that the jury understood that the self-defense case was absolutely garbage, thaft was nt what took place, and i was doing my best in the moment to dismantle, as you said, and i hope to achieve that. >> you also often play add complementary role in the symbiotic relationship between civil litigation and criminal prosecution, ben, what did you think about the prosecution's performance in this trial? >> i thought the prosecution did everything that they needed to do to get a conviction. ev...

>> i thought the prosecution did everything that they needed to do to get a conviction. even if at times people couldn't understand why they didn't push harder, they understood where they were at and what they needed to do. you yourself, laura coates, being a great attorney and a former prosecutor, you know, strategy is the key oftentimes to getting success and they understood that historically in south georgia, racial composition of juries have been an impediment to black people getting justice. and so i think they strategically spent a lot of time trying to say the right words, use the right...