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And consent, not as someone to ascertain the facts and purely evaluate credibility. having said, that's going to be the key role they'll have to perform when they hear the testimony of both brett kavanaugh and dr. ford. and i would say if they do not take their mission seriously of actually allowing it to be a meaningful comprehensive testimony and hearing, they essentially deprive the american people -- >> that's the trick. we're used to dealing with this in terms of usually he. should he keep or lose his job? we're not talking about a crime where there's an ability to prosecute it. this is a...

Fbi about his contacts, that brings into a statute which makes it a crime to lie to the fbi. now, you can't recant -- you can't go back and say, whoops, i made a mistake, and avoid prosecution. with respect to perjury, you can clear the record. and i'm sure this is what the attorney general will ultimately try to do. and if, in fact, he doesn't dig a hole deeper but provides assurance that he's giving truthful testimony to correct what he said before, then i think they'll move on. but he is out of the business of investigating the trump

Makes it a crime to lie to the fbi. now, you can't recant -- you can't go back and say, whoops, i made a mistake, and avoid prosecution. with respect to perjury, you can clear the record. and i'm sure this is what the attorney general will ultimately try to do. and if, in fact, he doesn't dig a hole deeper but provides assurance that he's giving truthful testimony to correct what he said before, then i think they'll move on. but he is out of the business of investigating the trump campaign's connection with the russians. and we should keep in mind, i think that the intelligence communities unk...

There's not. >> aggravating circumstances. >> absolutely. but it's not a premeditation. anyway, the point is that if he does survive, and i agree with richard in that respect, he's going to be having to deal with aruban officials and united states officials. they're going to get him back here because he is indicted for extortion. the problem is, and i actually disagree also on this recreation. he did participate. not only do you have the video. you have the confession. forget about self-imcrimination. in peru it's a whole different operation, fredricka. the bottom line is this recreation locks...

Confession. forget about self-incrimination in peru, whole different operation. and the bottom line is this recreation, locks him in so he can't recant. >> this extortion case. this is a whole other level and this is very confusing in so many different ways. we've hard an fbi sting operation. then we've also heard the attorney for beth, the mother of natalee holloway saying he hand-delivered money, $10,000 or $15,000, depends on your source, gave it to van der sloot because he allegedly had information about the whereabouts of natalee holloway's body. wait a minute, if this is part of an fbi i...