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Tyler's point is a great one. the one point is this is also about incredible patience. you don't necessarily need thing this quarter or this month or even this year. it can be something further down the road. the term we're seeing in the news a lot is illegals, right? these are people who are not diplomats, not tied to any embassy, not working at the u.n., just average people. >> what's wrong with deep cover? >> this makes complete sense. just like we starred this conversation, it's not just the russians who do this. everybody does this because sometimes the best way to get the information you...

The one point is this is also about incredible patience. you don't necessarily need thing this quarter or this month or even this year. it can be something further down the road. the term we're seeing in the news a lot is illegals, right? these are people who are not diplomats, not tied to any embassy, not working at the u.n., just average people. >> what's wrong with deep cover? >> this makes complete sense. just like we starred this conversation, it's not just the russians who do this. everybody does this because sometimes the best way to get the information you need isn't to be, john smith ...