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Didn't think he or any party chair would have the guts to do which is he created a process to win in the field. a lot of parties don't like to do that. normally you do it, we don't want to do it. >> and you look back on the '16 process. there were a lot of problem issues there. but, you know, the chairman decided, okay, let's just leave it and let it run its course. >> he didn't have the guts. and he fully admitted he didn't want to do it, he let others do it. >> the embarrassing kids' table debate. >> here's the problem with the way i think the dnc set this up. and it is a lesson for future o...

Included. >> i'm look forward to partnering with nbc and telemundo in less than two weeks. this job has challenges, but i wouldn't want to be anywhere else. we are taking back our democracy. steve bullock and seth moulton are people are know and admire when i was labor secretary. it certainly is not easy when we have to do these things and we drew these rules and announced months ago. we did that because we wanted to give every candidate who was in a fair shake and fair notice. that's what we did. this does not preclude them from making the debate stage next month. if they do, we will welcome ...

Not having a poll-based tiering. there is the kid's table debate that it was called. this was a strange question. i work here at this network and working in partnership with you, i have no idea how this process is being run. it's above my pay grade. there is a group of people doing it. it's not just a draw, right? there is a process being done so it's neither tiered but a balance between the two and is that the basic idea? >> the challenge that we are trying to -- the needle we are trying to thread is that we want to make sure that we maintain two nights where we have maximum eyeballs. we didn...

16 candidates. that was more candidates, of course, than republicans knew what to to with, especially when it came to debates. logistically speaking there was just no way to get 6 candidates on the same stage at the same time and have any kind of a meaningful dialogue between all of them. and so republicans in 2015 came up with a solution. they took all of the polls and they figured out the top ten candidates. all of those ten candidates went into one debate together, the main debate, the one in prime time, the one with the largest audience. they even stood them on stage according to their pos...