Whatever happened to d. B. Cooper . Were going to talk with a sleuth about the piece of evidence from the 1971 hijacking. He is now suing to be able to see. Plus, another major legal blow for donald trump after losing an appeal. He is set to go on trial on monday in a civil case with the new York Attorney general asking for a 250 million penalty. And now were learning multiple trumps are on the witness list. And leading this hour, cue the music for the 2024 lead. Yes. The veritable Second Coming of the Lincoln Douglass debates last night in california. A political Algonquin Round Table in simi valley for the second republican debate. Just kidding. Theres a i cut i loaded up on you wanted a Gas Tax Increase we do not intend to go ahead like this. In fact, were about to take a did you catch that . Any of that . Okay. Me neither. So lets quickly catch up. While last nights debate was held in the Ronald Reagan president ial library, some conservatives lamented that todays 2024 republican president ial candidates hardly served up enough moral leadership to make their oftquoted Conservative Idol proud. Remember reagans famous 11th commandment, quote, thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow republican . Well, none of those on stage, especially former South Carolina governor nikki haley perhaps, didnt seem a fan of that commandment. I honestly every time i hear you i feel a little bit dumber for what you say. And what were seeing is youve gone and youve said theyll make medicines in china not america. You want kids to get on the social media thats dangerous for all of us. You were in business with the chinese that gave hunter biden 5 million. We cant trust you. In her defense that i feel a little bit dumber line is pretty good. Reagan also loved to refer to the United States as that shining city on the hill. While todays reality is a bit more grim, candidates offered a vision of a crumbling america from the economy to the border to health care to education. They blasted each others records. Take a listen to senator tim scott. Talk about someone who has never seen a federal dollar she doesnt like. Ten cents on the gal lonn in South Carolina as the u. N. Ambassador. You literally bring it, tim. 50,000 on curtains. And a 15 million subsidized location. Next. You got bad information. Meanwhile, the republican frontrunner for a second time took a pass on deigning to debate his fellow candidates. He is not the incumbent, we should remind everyone. This time Florida Governor ron desantis had a message for mr. Trump. And you know who else is missing in action . Donald trump is missing in action. He should be on this stage tonight. He owes it to you to defend his record where they added 7. 8 trillion to the debt. That set the stage for the inflation that we have and while candidates sparred for two hours, moderators did not ask about the former president s insane call for general mark milley to be executed, essentially, nor mr. Trumps most recent crippling legal blow. A new york judge finding him and his adult sons liable for fraud. That was not brought up either. So who won the debate, you might ask . Who did analysts believe have the best night . Well, trump made it very clear whom he believes his biggest rival is. Immediately releasing this Campaign Statement titled the real nikki haley. Citing a 2012 New York Times interview where haley said, the reason i actually ran for office is because of hillary clinton. Now, trump has already decided hes definitely not attending the third debate. Joining me now, the man in charge of one of the first states to decide the president ial nominee. Republican governor of New Hampshire the Live Free Or Die state. Chris sununu. Governor sununu, good to see you. Charlie sykes of the bulwark called this the, quote, kids table debate. Did you see an adult in the room . If so who . Sure, look, it was very chippy. Theres no doubt about that. Ive been on those Debate Stages before. Its a very big temptation to Start Talking over and making your point and all that. But there was actually a discipline and a benefit to holding back. And i think everyone wished it happened more. I thought desantis did very well. He was able to hit trump a little bit and kind of stick to his guns about what made him kind of that secondplace contender to donald trump. I think nikki haley did very well. Theres no doubt about it. She showed she doesnt get rattled if you try to take a shot at her and shes not afraid to call folks out. Elections are about choices. Thats kind of the thing i really was resonating in my head. Theyre about choices. And you have a couple candidates that i think really understand that and show a differentiation. Arguing isnt a differentiation. Talking over each other, not a differentiation. But knowing where your opponent stands, being able to call that out, doing your homework, i think nikki did a great job in that sense. So the big challenge for republicans like you who dont want President Biden to be reelected but also dont think donald trump will be able to achieve that, is to figure out which candidate among all of these to get behind. I want to play another clip from the debate. Take a listen. If you all stay in the race, former President Donald Trump wins the nomination. None of you have indicated that youre dropping out. So which one of you on stage tonight should be voted off the island . Please use your marker to write your choice on the notepad in front of you. 15 seconds starting now. Of the people on the stage who are you serious . Ill decline to do that with all okay. Thats a little silly. But lets assume that you agree, because you have said that it needs to consolidate a bit, that you cant have all these people. Who do you think obviously, donald trump is not dropping out. Hes way ahead in the polls. Who are the top three others that you think should stay in the race . So a couple things. Lets start with if you werent on the debate stage last night theres no path to victory. Theres just not. So you know, those campaigns and those candidates have to have some tough discussions. All right. Now were down to seven. I think by the third debate as you get around thanksgiving if youre polling at 5 or below nationally youve probably got to go. Theres just no path to go from 4 to a victory. And ultimately iowa and New Hampshire will come down i dont think any of these candidates have to actually win iowa or New Hampshire but you have to have one or two stand out as that second or third place candidate. And that allows you to get it to one on one by super tuesday. Thats really the key. There is a lot of time for the candidates to still show their campaigns. But ultimately i think as you get into that Holiday Season if youre not showing it theres no path anymore, and thats where the donors and not just themselves but the donors, the Campaign Staff themselves, all these other voices need to be vocal about pushing a few off the island. So you know what happened in 2020, is that there was such fear among democratic bigwigs that Bernie Sanders would get the nomination because all the other democrats were splitting all the other vote, that everybody just consolidated around joe biden. I mean, thats what happened. I dont know. Someday somebody, woodward or somebodys going to write the book about what was really going on and who was pulling the strings. Presumably, somebody like i dont even know who has that kind of power in the Republican Party today. But who do you think we dont do that. Who do you think has the best chance of defeating trump in New Hampshire . Right now it would be desantis or nikki haley. Without a doubt. Theyre really driving forward. Chris christies doing very well. I think one of the issues with chriss campaign is you know, theres not a lot of ground game in some of these other states. So he has to figure out, even if he does well in New Hampshire how does he get from here to there with the victory. And i think chris is great. I really do. But hes got to make sure he has the other pieces and can convince folks, the donors and whatnot, that he can get from here to there. I mean, i think all those candidates on the stage still have a real shot. Theres still six weeks between now and basically the next debate. Theres another four weeks after that until you get into that Holiday Season where folks really start deciding. About 40 of Republican Base voters will decide who theyre going to vote for after thanksgiving. So theres still that includes trump voters too. So theres still a lot of movement to be had. So again, you know, everyone has a different path there, but i think nikki and desantis are doing incredibly well. Theres no doubt about it. Theyre connecting with folks. I think ron has to do a little more on the ground stuff here in New Hampshire. But hes really planted himself in iowa and his poll numbers are very strong there to be sure. Its resonating with a lot of those base voters. Nikkis playing good conservative but shes being aggressive about going after some of those more moderate independent voices which i think will help her in the long run. And theres this Trial Balloon being floated today for the governor we got just south of us here in virginia, glenn youngkin. Bob costa in the post has this piece in which theres discussion of youngkin, quote, lastminute addition to the sclerotic republican field possibility. This Afternoon Youngkin dodged a question on fox news. He said he was, quote, focused on virginia. Is there room for youngkin . Look, im one of Glenn Youngkins biggest fans. Tremendous governor. I dont know if anyone can get in the race at this point. Theres a couple reasons why. You need infrastructure. Youve got to get on the ballots like literally in the next few weeks in some of these states. So it would be weird to get in the race and youre not even on the New Hampshire or iowa ballot. You need ground game. You need to actually be knocking on the doors. And i think what youd see is six or seven of these other candidates looking at this new candidate saying where have you been . You havent been out there talking to folks. You cant just come in at the last minute. There would be a lot of attacks on that individual i think. They would start him off in a very defensive position if they thought almost in an arrogant way they could just come in and be considered a top contender without really working the ground like a lot of these other candidates have. I think theres just a lot of things working against somebody that would try to get into the race this late, knowing still that trump still does have these pretty tough leads. Theyre not insurmountable but theyre tough and youve got to put the work in to earn the votes. Theres always this Waiting For Godot candidate that happens. Mitch daniels, mario cuomo. Its always just kind of this campaign silliness. Republican governor chris sununu of New Hampshire, always good to see you. Thanks so much. Thank you, buddy. Be good. Cnn digging into some of the Claims Republicans made today in their first impeachment inquiry into joe biden. Shell companies connected to the bidens. Wire transfers from china. Bribes from businerisma. Whats true, whats false, whats in between. Were going to take a look. But first new details about who might take the stand in Donald TrumpsCivil Fraud Trial next week in new york. Lets just say some of the witnesses might share some of trumps dna. In our Law And Justice lead, two big updates in that 250 million Civil Fraud Trial against former President Donald Trump. His adult sons eric and don jr. And his company. One, the trial is expected to start monday after trump lost an appeal today to delay it. And two, don jr. And eric are on the witness list. Cnns Kara Scannell has more on this. Kara, lets start with that legal loss today for trump. Yeah, jake, so a new York Appeals Court today denied trumps request to delay the start of this trial. Now, trump had asked for that because the lower court judge, arthur engoron, had not yet ruled on these motions for summary judgments. He made that Surprise Ruling on tuesday that was very expansive, finding that trump was liable for fraud and that they had committed persistent fraud through these inflated values on their Financial Statements. So now with that out of the way the Appeals Court saying its go time. So the trial will start monday. And the issues here will be about damages as well as the new York AttorneyGenerals Office looking to prove claims of Insurance Fraud and falsifying Business Records and holding individual defendants accountable, including the former president and donald trump jr. And eric trump. Jake . Now to the witness list. There are 188 people on it. But certainly trump and eric and don jr. Stand out. Yeah. The new York AttorneyGenerals Office says in their case in chief theyre going to put on 28 witnesses. On that list, donald trump, eric trump, donald trump jr. , ivanka trump, and michael cohen, among others. Cohen is the one that kicked off this whole investigation when he testified before congress in April Of 2019 and made the allegations that the Trump Organization inflated the value of their assets. So hes going to be one of their witnesses as well as some others. Now, trumps side is saying that theyre going to call as many as 127 possible witnesses including trump. So saying that he wants to testify in this case in his own defense. Of course we never know whos going to take the stand until it comes down to that moment, but were looking at a number of witnesses here and many of them with the last name trump. All right. Kara scannell, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Joining us to discuss, nick akerman, a former assistant u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york. Nick, would you be surprised if trump or his eldest sons were called to testify . Or are you expecting that . Oh, im expecting that. If i were the a. G. , i would pop them up on the stand almost immediately. Because i would expect on a number of these issues theyre going to wind up asserting their Fifth Amendment privilege, claiming that a truthful answer would tend to incriminate them. Particularly donald trump, one of the issues thats left in this case is the falsification of Business Records. And hes already under indictment for that issue in manhattan. I think all of these people are going to have to take the Fifth Amendment or get up there and lie or put themselves in legal jeopardy of being subsequently indicted. Keep in mind, this is a civil case. Its not like a criminal case where the government cant call the defendant to the witness stand. In a civil case you can use the assertion of the Fifth Amendment privilege as an adverse inference against the person who asserts that privilege. So i would expect absolutely that the a. G. Is going to call all of those witnesses. So on his social media site, truth social, trump said something along the lines of and im paraphrasing, but it clearly said in the Financial Statement form, you know, dont rely on what were saying in this document for accuracy. Can you do that . Can you put in your financial form dont think this is true, none of this is accurate . Well, let me just add to that. You cant put that in your financial form and then go ahead and make the blatant lies that trump made in these financial forms. You cannot get a pass for Criminal Liability by simply telling people you cant really rely on this when you know darn well that what youre saying is a total falsehood. The judge addressed that issue in his opinion this week and basically blew that out of the water. That is not taken anywhere in terms of ameliorating his liability on this case. How likely is it, do you think, that the Trump Organization will be dissolved . I mean, this is a big company with a lot of properties, a lot of assets. Well, i think it is. Theres a good strong likelihood it will be dissolved. Theyve already taken away their Business Licenses in the state of new york, which is absolutely huge in terms of being able to conduct normal business. Theyre going now for disgorgement of profits up to 250 million. Possibly more. Once those numbers start racking up, theres only one place that the state is going to be able to get the fun