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To offer what they believe to be a poison pill or language that might not otherwise sit well with democrats. but the political problem for them is that in that case they'd probably defy the will of the president whose as you know doesn't want to see any this. all that being said it'll be very interesting to see how the republicans respond. i would not put it past them to make long speeches and generally engage in semantics. >> and eugene robinson, i think we can guarantee the republicans will use their time with the microphones as long as possible and absolutely as loud as possible. loud seems...

Reason why you hear at the end devin nunes says you pound the table when you don't have the facts. he has been doing a lot of table pounding because the facts are stubborn. >> i think the testimony did a lot of damage to stock defenses. and the republicans cling to two defenses. one trying to disassemble everything. they say this is not a wall. >> okay but you build the case brick by brick and the magic words test the republicans adopted that unless the president himself is saying, i'm committing bribery here i go, broibry time, it's not broibry. of course that's not the way the real world wor...

Counsel? get one for that. >> francesco, glenn, liz and kevin are back with me. glenn, can you make sense of rudy giuliani for me? >> no. no, i can't. people have heard this before, but in the criminal practice, we have a saying. when you have the law on your facts, pound on the law -- yeah -- i'm sorry, when you have the law on your sides, pound on the law. when you have the facts on your side, pound on the facts. when you have neither, just pound on the table. what we see is a whole lot of table pounding. when they can't overcome the facts that are against them, they attack law enforcement, ...

More serious. you're in a death spiral of stupid. this is insanity. >> death spiral of stupid. your take on this? >> i agree. there's a saying i learned. if you have the facts pound the facts. if you don't have to facts pound the law and if you don't have either pound the table. sounds like we heard giuliani doing a lot of table pounding. >> i know you wrote in october and suggested mueller may have subpoenaed the president. giuliani said he has not been seasoned but he doesn't know because it could be under seal. where does that stand? >> first of all that secret case that has been bouncing a...

Justice department. let's back off now. >> just one thing. it's interesting. there's an expression in law, when the facts are on your side, you argue the facts. when the law is on your side, you argue the law. when neither is on your side, you pound the table. certainly we're seeing a lot of table pounding going on here. the other thing which strikes me as curious is constantly it's the defense's famous tactic, which is that you attack the investigation. the investigation is wrong. the investigators are wrong-sided, they're democrats, they're biassed. you have to do that to undermine public co...