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Obligation. we're going to spend $200 billion of money we don't have now to try to pull out greece -- our money, our money, that we don't have -- we'll have to go out and borrow, which is just going to complicate things. what we need to do is have real leadership. you were talking about that earlier, but on the things that count. and right now -- the way you get $1 trillion out of the defense department over ten years is $1 billion at a time. and we like backboack backbone, and vision in the congress. >> willie geist here. we talked around this table a couple of weeks ago after the depressing ...

Medicare, medicaid, and call for a revamp of the tax code. >> that's the real story. >> i think the shutdown is a side show it's larger issue of how do we solve the long-term problems. >> what we're talking about in the shutdown debate is half of a% of 1% of the budget. >> it's big. the question is has paul ryan just walked in, you know, to the jaws of -- to the jaws of the democrats or not. and that's the reality. sitting around the table a couple of months ago we were all very frustrated that president obama did not come up with a plan, right? and i think the political calculus was let someo...

As it was described to me by someone on capitol hill that there is agreement, but in the end sort of the knee bone is connected to the thigh bone, if you'll excuse the medical look at this, that if you're going to do one thing you have to figure out how to pay for it, that it's very difficult to say oh, we agree on those four things, let's pass that. >> and that challenge from lamar alexander to the president, we're willing to talk, but you have to renounce that reconciliation option where you just go with 51 votes. >> an interesting and very political choice by the republican leadership. they...

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