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Doesn't matter. if you look at wealthy people, they have some of the highest voters. >> if it doesn't matter, why do all of these wealthy people vote >> go around palm springs and see what they are voting. >> i feel the same way about this conversation about symbolism. one of the people in power care about it if it has no power? if it's ultimately irrelevant, why are you so focused on it? they're making some sort of tactical error, it is foolish, and not paying attention to the right thing and undergarments a lot of the material power that they enjoy in the first place. >> what are you working...

People saying they still support lisa murkowski became the first trump, there will be a drop-off to publicly break ranks on the in a few states. and in a close election, that senate side and call out mitch mcconnell for his brazen could matter, especially, it may not be that they have to come announcement that he's working out and vote for biden, in quote, total cords nation elizabeth warren or bernie with the white house. sanders. it's if they don't turn out for i wouldn't call it a wave of trump in some close states. republican guilty votes just >> just don't turn out. >> look what happened ...

Further confused the process. >> further confused the process. now, murkowski is an interesting case. she's been a thorn in mcconnell's side on a number of issues. perhaps notably when she was one of the no votes against republican efforts to repeal obamacare. and her stance represents a crack, a real crack publicly in mcconnell's efforts to forego a real trial. it's a sign that mcconnell's decision to go on trump tv and declare he was coordinating with the white house was a big tactical error. heidi, i guess i wasn't shocked that murkowski said that, but it struck me as notable, highly notabl...

And her stance represents a crack, a real crack publicly in mcconnell's efforts to forego a real trial. it's a sign that mcconnell's decision to go on trump tv and declare he was coordinating with the white house was a big tactical error. heidi, i guess i wasn't shocked that murkowski said that, but it struck me as notable, highly notable that she said that publicly in terms of what it means for what she might be saying privately or what others in the senate caucus might be thinking. >> notable but let's not misinterrupt this or overinterpret it.ru she was a new week and case as you mentioned ...

>> this was the first lady's response in a tweet. a minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. pamela karlan you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering and using a child to do it. so that was the first lady's first public statement about anything related to the impeachment process. what are your thoughts about that statement and more broadly how she has handled this ongoing impeachment inquiry against her husband? >> well, i think she should have known better than to bring up barron, right? the lawyer. it was a mistake because it gave m...