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Doing the exact opposite with the shell companies and his family was saying we made nothing, we're worth nothing, so they didn't have to pay taxes. so there's a huge yawning gap between the public and private behavior, which is often something voters seize upon that type of hypocrisy. and the "times" story also mentioned there was just a handful of journalists who did delve deeply into the president's finances. part of that is because he made it very difficult, but part of that, if you look at the journalists who did, take tim o o'brien, for instance -- >> they got sued. >> yeah. this is somet...

Different type of universe. so people who are always looking into his past, the opposition researchers on different campaigns, had a lot of trouble digging into stuff because the paper trial is so byzantine and complex. as opposed to a politician who has votes or took donations. >> public life. the "times" addresses your point. let me read that. they report, the top of the story, "a handful of journalists and biographers, wayne barrett, david k. johnson, tim o'brien, have challenged trump's stories, especially the claim of being worth $10 billion." described how mr. trump piggybacked off his f...