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>> in the makers versus takers argument, it's become a political -- a political -- point. listen to this, ron. >> government keeps growing and growing and growing, and when it grows, that means there are more people in the wagon and less people pulling the wagon. >> you have an eminent economist here on my right saying it's nuts to pull back some of the stuff. you have politicians on the right saying, this is makers and takers. we need more people pulling the wagon, not in the wagon. >> yeah. i think the core animating drive for the tea party and the tea party movement is not so much the overa...

Is an effort to dim in issue the presidency. we are going to put a six week extension and it is no way to run your country. >> the meetings in washington. what is the rest of the world saying about how we are running your country. well, on the one hand they are terrified and on the other hand they don't believe it. i don't think anybody things that treasury bills won't get paid and probably even social security checks won't get paid. the imf, they are worse than we are. >> candy, president obama won the election, but the makers versus takers argument is back again. only now it is the wagon pul...

And that was the larger issue with romney's 47% comments and with paul ryan's makers versus takers argument, as greg sargent of the "washington post" puts it, "there has been a great deal of chatter among republicans lately that they don't really need to change their ideas, they merely need to change their tone. but as cuccinnelli's comments demonstrate, the ideas are the tone." let's turn to our panel tonight. msnbc political analyst richard wolffe is with us. also howard fineman of the huffington post and david corn of mother jones. gentlemen, great to have you with us. >> thanks, ed. >> goo...

With paul ryan's makers versus takers argument, as greg sargent of the "washington post" puts it, "there has been a great deal of chatter among republicans lately that they don't really need to change their ideas, they merely need to change their tone. but as cuccinnelli's comments demonstrate, the ideas are the tone." let's turn to our panel tonight. msnbc political analyst richard wolffe is with us. also howard fineman of the huffington post and david corn of mother jones. gentlemen, great to have you with us. >> thanks, ed. >> good evening. >> what's that deal about here's the old boss, mee...

With paul ryan's makers versus takers argument, as greg sargent of the "washington post" puts it, "there has been a great deal of chatter among republicans lately that they don't really need to change their ideas, they merely need to change their tone. but as cuccinnelli's comments demonstrate, the ideas are the tone." let's turn to our panel tonight. msnbc political analyst richard wolffe is with us. also howard fineman of the huffington post and david corn of mother jones. gentlemen, great to have you with us. >> thanks, ed. >> good evening. >> what's that deal about here's the old boss, mee...