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So you go to in a leak case. he added that trump never encouraged him to zero in on the democratic lawmakers who reportedly became targets of the former president's push to unmask leakers of classified information. betsy, what does it say that even bill barr doesn't want to touch this? >> it tells you this isn't great. usually people like barr and sessions are the most enthusiastic defenders of the most controversial steps that the justice department took during the trump administration. the fact that the first response from the former attorney general was to say that he didn't know about this...

Targets of the former president's push to unmask leakers of classify information. what does it say that even bill barr doesn't want to touch this? >> it tells you this isn't great. usually people like barr and sessions are the most enthusiastic defenders of the most controversial steps that the justice department took during the trump administration. the fact that the first response from the former attorney general was to say that he didn't know about this without putting forward any sort of defense or any sort of plausible argument that, hey, maybe this wasn't that bad, the fact that we're no...