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>> let me get john's response. >> well, my problem with this whole thing is it is not about controlling the public. we had barr and trump and rudy ghoul yiuliani unleash the mons let the cracken out there. what we have here is a situation in which the management of the public was to deny the truth to them. it seems to me that mueller had an obligation to step forward and say what he's saying is a lie. if they can do it about buzzfeed, they should be doing it about the central act of the investigation, which is it was offtrack and he was being managed and doing the best he could. >> this is not...