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Something we can cut to save the deficit and that kind of washington talk versus the actual reality on the ground huch need there is? >> i think oftentimes we get caught up in numbers and policies and programs and don't actually realize there are people behind these numbers that we're all talking about. for an average family of four, $36 per month cut earlier this month is a tremendous impact on the ability of families to put food on the table, and we know this is on the heels of a recession where we've seen about 50% increase in the number of people turning to food banks for help over the las...

Michigan are trying to focus on the rank and file union voters. what's their argument? what's the case they're making to them? >> it's really interesting. we were out in michigan trying to talk to these voters who are part of that stunning shift. some were surprised that these voters flipped over to president trump and a lot of that was based off of what they said was an economy that wasn't working for them. you have democrats now who are wanting to project that they have listened to those messages, and it's one of those big myths, the dichotomy of hearing the d.c. talk versus being out there....