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Today and for jobs tomorrow. >> jobs and revenue from the wealthy who aren't paying their share. >> they relate to each other. the biggest problem barack obama has giving a speech or selling an issue is sometimes he's too abstract with it. he needed to say more today about exactly how the money he would raise from people who need to pay their fair share would be used to create jobs in america. >> somebody's got to pay for the bridges. >> yeah, somebody's got to pay for it. somebody's got to -- >> you're pretty good at this. well, i mean, he's not as good as you with that simple thing you just ...

9.1% unemployment rate running into next year with no sign of relief, he's got to talk jobs. he's got to stay on the road talking bridges, infrastructure, putting people to work and he's got to succeed to some extent, get that rate down a bit. and also, he's got to come up with some other part of it to say he's trying to deal with the debt issue, which is the taxing on the rich, right? >> yes. >> how much is he going to modulate the two of them? mostly jobs, just enough taxing the rich to keep the left happy or what? >> no, i think he's got to make the connection between two. >> you do it. >> ...

Abstract with it. he needed to say more today about exactly how the money he would raise from people who need to pay their fair share would be used to create jobs in america. >> somebody's got to pay for the bridges. >> yeah, somebody's got to pay for it. somebody's got to -- >> you're pretty good at this. well, i mean, he's not as good as you with that simple thing you just did. >> he connected it to medicare, but he needed to connect it more directly to jobs. and i think you'll find them doing it in the next few months. interestingly, chuck schumer is driving the train right now. he won the ...

And salary and so forth, not from interest on investments, and that's one of the things the president's going on. >> let's ask the question, will it work and will it work politically? will he ever get it passed? >> no, it's not going to get passed. but the key thing for him is, this is music to the ears of most democrats. the republicans can pound the table and say, this is class warfares, horrors. bill clinton says anytime the democrats talk about taxes, the republicans scream "class warfare," which is correct. so what the president essentially is doing is saying, okay, call it what you want,...

With some other part of it to say he's trying to deal with the debt issue, which is the taxing on the rich, right? >> yes. >> how much is he going to modulate the two of them? mostly jobs, just enough taxing the rich to keep the left happy or what? >> no, i think he's got to make the connection between two. >> you do it. >> well, he's got to say, look, we need this money to help america survive. now, he said that to some extent. he said, i'm not going to -- i'm going to veto any bill that goes after medicare, that doesn't also have, quote, serious revenues. but he needed to, and elsewhere in t...