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Southern country lawyers. because, you know, we'd be in trial. and it would be for a week. and it would be ugly for one day. the second day would be ugly. finally, there would be like a break after the third or fourth day. and what would happen? everybody would wander out. they would be in recess. and then the two lawyers would run into each other and say hey, how you doing? then they'd go off to a side room and just talk. they'd go, boy. and then they'd start talking, complaining about their clients, you know? man, we've got the best case, but my client, wow! a little crazy. which, of course,...

But we've got a bunch -- we don't have any true great teams that we're going to say 20 years from now, remember the teams of 2013. we'll have a champion that will always be remembered, but i'm not sure that the top teams we're going to be talking about them in 20 years. >> there's no team in this tournament that can keep up with duke in '86. >> no. >> that's true. >> yeah, that was special. >> that was called a doughnut team. hole in the middle. >> had nothing to do with dawkins. look at this guy. look at the hair. >> i still have it. >> we're talking generationally, though, the game is just s...

That's another important one-on-one conversation, one that hasn't been happening a lot until recent weeks. and so the fact that people are talking maybe to outsiders, you'd say, isn't that what people do? not in washington. so the fact that they are talking, that's a good thing. >> so jim, where's the wiggle room, then? who budges if mitch mcconnell, if john boehner don't want to move on revenue and won't for the sake of their jobs, among other things, where does that movement come on that side in terms of tax increases? and on the other side from the president and others on entitlement reform...

For more than two hours. that there was a really encouraging sign. honest conversation, i'm told, about some of the problems in both parties at getting to some sort of a big grand bargain deal. they talked about taxes. they talked about changes. to medicare. it was really described as very positive and constructive. i was also told that they expect the president will do a similar kind of thing with democratic senators to try to get sort of a framework put together on what to do next, to get to some kind of a bigger deal that would deal with this long-term budget. i was really struck by the pos...