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They'd have to prove that it was the rape exception by providing the police report. so if anybody's going to have the irs up in your business, it's the republican madness. talking point three, return of the death panels. good old sarah palin, we have some sound from her. >> of course there are debt panels, it's in black and white, in the law, that there will be rationing of health care. >> oh, wendel, death panels? really? >> sarah got a lot of mileage out of that, but it never was true, it was mafred by her and her friends. it would enable the medicare programs who were having end of life dis...

A version that we know the senate won't accept. then it will go from the senate back to the house. so what do you see unfolding in the next 24 hours? do we see ted cruz still working the phones, telling his republicans to come on home and stay firm? >> i don't think it's a matter of republicans anymore. i think like they've made it clear, they are intent on shutting down the government unless they defund obama care. that's not going to happen under this president. i just don't see how there's not at least a short government shutdown here. i don't know if there's time to do anything else, to fi...

Because he's trying to bring in that sarah palin wing of the party to create his own base of support. >> i think you're bringing up up a really interesting point. usually senator paul and senator cruz are cast as tea party favorites, but rand paul has handled this shutdown debate in a very different way. senator paul has found a way to elevate himself beyond a process player, he's known as someone with fresh ideas, with you throwing a lot of cold water on top of senator cruz's effort at the same time. >> i think as part of that, it's intentional. i think with cruz, this is part of a strategy t...

The final bill, so it never became law. now they're saying that the creation of the independent advisory board would be the new rationing board, the death panels, it's not true. >> last one for you, ryan. and i find this to be the most ironic claim, that obama care will intrude into people's sex lives and personal privacy. just a reminder that's coming from the party that brought you the transvaginal probe. >> it's similar to the irs. one, it's like, when these folks, you know, want a certain policy carried forward, they're going to use every instrument of the state that they can marshall. >> ...