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Former client has said. are you aware, is rudy giuliani correct that those conversation continued longer? >> so i don't know -- i know that michael has said june '16 that he had conversations. giuliani may be referring to other facts that are beyond michael's. but i don't if you noticed, when you mentioned giuliani, i half-frowned. >> yes, as you are now. >> i know he has a tough job as a lawyer, but this is the man who caused me to go on a rival network called cnn with a tape and mr. giuliani said, it was michael cohen who used the word "cash," who brought up the mcdougal hush money payoffs. ...

Of this call to judgment, this quick rush to judgment, i guess, david. shirley on the show the last hour said she told the department of agriculture people who were calling her insisting she pull over to the side of the road and blackberry her resignificant nation. she said you got to listen to the whole tape pip this is a story that paints a very different picture. and they didn't. and if this had just been on breitbart, do you believe it would have been as big -- blown up to as big as what it is now, an issue? if the department of agriculture hadn't reacted the way it did, and the naacp reac...