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If he's a subject and not yet a target and want him to become a target, they're going to ask him questions, the answers to which will move him into that target category. >> he's not yet the president's lead criminal defense lawyer but the president doesn't have a lead criminal defense lawyer anymore. so andrew is probably as close as we'll get. let's bring in josh ernest and the rest of the panel is back with us. i'm joking, of course, about andrew, he's happy at fox news he doesn't need to represent the president. he's on fox and friends this morning. he knows he's talking to the president an...

Persuade them why they shouldn't. steve: is he not target. >> is he not a target it could change depending on what evidence comes to them a subject is somebody who is the topic of an ongoing criminal investigation that has not yet ended. as much as i want the president to be able to be president and not have this on his back, i encourage him not to relax and not to rejoice. they are still pursuing things. there is a theory that this statement was made by bob mueller in an off handed way so that people like the rest of us would talk about it and the president will have a false sense of security...

Dealmaker all at the same time? >> right. so he is -- status is that he's the target of mueller's investigation. i think there's no question but that he is a target for failings to register as a foreign agent, possible money laundering with turkish moneys coming to him in the flynn intel group, same with his son, failures to disclose truthfully his meetings on intelligence forms and on financial disclosure forms, the sf 86. no question his conduct puts nim a target category. as a target, though, that's when you try to negotiate a deal for yourself. you don't want to be indicted on a multicount...