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Official on russia while the russian attack was happening during the election last year. are there things that you saw from that inside perspective that a, you can talk about in public but b, you think it's important for americans to really understand about that attack? >> yeah. so there are things that i saw obviously, classified matters that i can't talk about in public. but what i will say is what i said last night as well, you know. i have watched russian cyberattacks and disinformation campaigns in a number of other countries from up close and seen all of their various details and manifes...

Do this, what their m.o. is as i said yesterday. and you cited the lawsuit. and the lawsuit is absolutely right. i mean russia uses local proxies to be able to both target disinformation -- by the way, it uses people when it can in foreign country to actually purpo perpetrate the cyberattack. sometimes that involves using a thumb drive, sticking it into a computer in order to penetrate that system, especially if it's a closed system. but russia always tries to use a multifaceted approach that relies not just on hacking from afar orb what is sometimes also called sigint or human intelligence in...

Disinformation campaigns in a number of other countries from up close and seen all their various details and manifestations. ukraine being a prime example. so i have said how the russians do this, what their m.o. is, as i said yesterday, and you cited the lawsuit. and the lawsuit is absolutely right. i mean russia uses local proxies to be able to both target disinformation. by the way, it also uses people when it can in foreign countries to actually perpetrate the cyber attack. sometimes that involves using a thumb drive and sticking it into a computer in order to penetrate that system, especi...