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Whether or not they're capable of doing certain operations. that say the u.s. air force is capable of. -- their ability to suppress -- has struggled to do so, they struggle to knock out the ukrainian force. the ukrainian air force continues to wreck havoc on their supply lines including -- with those tv to combat air vehicles. and so, it appears that russian air forces -- are having some difficulties here. and i think one of the important things, in previous conflicts in 2014, 2015 -- the russian air force didn't really play much of a role in don bass, mostly because of -- it in syria, it has ...

It in syria, it has played a key role but they haven't gone against a capable air to forest fence and some. and so it's basically been operating with relative impunity -- and then just working on target processes. but right now this operation is much much more complex. it's much larger. any of much larger russian ground forces on the ground that need aerial support. and so all those factors are making it more difficult for russian air force is to be as effective as i'd hoped they would be. and that's really surprising -- >> absolutely fascinating. rob lee, former marine corps officer and senio...