armenia remains a dream, a subject of stories, yet still, against all odds, a place. you, what do you own the world? how do you own disorder disorder now somewhere between the sacred silence sacred silence and sleep disorder, disorder i took a walk through this beautiful world felt the cool rain on my shoulder found something good in this beautiful world i felt the rain getting colder sha la la la la sha la la la la la sha la la la la sha la la la la la la anthony: armenia is a small, landlocked christian nation surrounded by mostly non-christian neighbors. azerbaijan over there, iran down there, and turkey right there. turkey, and relations with turkey, and the armenian people s terrible history with that country being the central and defining issue of armenian identity. and a present-day political reality 103 years after what just about anyone would call genocide. turkey has always adamantly denied that, saying it was simply
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conflict saro: no, no. tatul: it s not religious? anthony: not at all? tatul: no, no, no. nothing, no. anthony: this is a christian island in a sea of muslims. tatul: well, this is a christian island. it s true. this is christian island, but the conflict of nagorno- karabakh is not religious. anthony: there are people, hardliners here who refer to azeris as turks. tatul: they are turks. anthony: they are turks? tatul: they are turks, yes, they are. anthony: please explain. tigran: i think probably they are not - they did not bear historical responsibility for the actions committed by the ottomans, but the struggle of the people of nagorno-karabakh for their existence is kind of a continuation of the struggle of armenian people to live peacefully in their historical homeland. tatul: i m not saying that azeris and turks are the same nations. anthony: right. tatul: but they are turkic nations. anthony: they re working in unison. tatul: yeah, they are wo
a sense that when people look at this conflict, they think, they look back and they say, this is what could happen in the future ? tigran: yes, absolutely. it is absolutely an existential conflict. if we lose, we know that we will be destroyed. anthony: who will help? who cares? saro: support. anthony: who will support you if things once again get ugly? what do you think the future -? tatul: no one. anthony: what do you think- no one? tatul: no one. tigran: i think there s a clear understanding in armenian society that we can only rely on ourselves. tatul: the other reality is we are paying a very, very high price. since 1994, armenians on karabakh s side have lost about 3,000 soldiers. we are losing our 18-20 year old sons, you know? this is a sad reality. and i don t know how will this situation continue. i don t know. i think it s right time to drink for peace.