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Karl said, yes, you get 218 votes but at the debt or budget or other issue will you have the votes? >> i don't think so. i don't ink that is the most important consideration. rarely is the country so fortunate to have exactly the right person in exactly the right place at exact the right time, paul ryan at the chairmanship. the progress is economic stagnation because of unreformed tax codes and the only person in the government that can take the lead open that is there in paul ryan at ways and means. it is though we have an orchestra saying we have a great lead violinist, make him conductor it...

Near the bottom of the pack right now. so what's your strategy to build momentum, stand out, for example, in that debate. you're going to be in the second-tier debate that begins at 6:00 p.m. eastern wednesday night with four other republican candidates. >> wolf, i'm happy to be in any of the debates and happy to have this opportunity. and my strategy is simple -- be myself. let people know my vision for america. let them know my record of putting in place the most sweeping conservative reform agenda in a very liberal state, new york state, with a state assembly more than 2-1 democrat and that...

Completely different. blending cellphones, burning tax codes and making bacon with a machine gun. is that how you prove your presidential mettle these days? we'll discuss with a great historian. wish your skin could bounce back like it used to? new neutrogena hydro boost water gel. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost. from neutrogena. our original dough is hand tossed and made fresh.

Anti establishment guy. but then he decided he actually wanted to make a go of it and moved towards the establishment which means he lost the only thing that was supposed to make him interesting. and now chain sawing irs tax codes on videos. so we're seeing them all struggle with this "do i want to be taken seriously as a candidate or do i want b people to notice me" and i think ha lot of that has to do with the debate structure. and getting into the real debate. we've been calling it the kids table debate. and i don't think there is upside to being in the kid's table debate. if you can't get ...

Part i mean that's -- >> china and india are going to outcompete us if we keep this let's not deal with climate change. china is investing renewable injury. india is investing in renewable injury. the oil and gas industry in the united states gets over $135 billion in tax breaks and subsidies. it's not that we're not broke. it's that our priority is in the wrong place. why are we subsidizing exxonmobil, the koch brothers? the coal industry to subsidize. >> fair enough. i don't believe the tax codes should be used to stimulate anybody. having said, that pat works that be a step in the right dir...